February 2021

Have mercy on me, O God,

according to your steadfast love;
according to your abundant mercy

blot out my transgressions.
Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,

and cleanse me from my sin. (Psalm 51:1-2)

Dear brothers & sisters in Christ,

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior. Amen.

As Lent approaches, we are reminded of our need for repentance. Psalm 51 is the traditional confessional Psalm for Ash Wednesday. In our recitation we confess our state of sin to the Lord and ask for His divine mercy in the form of forgiveness. We beseech His power and goodness make us clean and whole.

While Psalm 51 articulates our confession, the death and resurrection of Christ articulates God’s absolution. Jesus Christ is God’s response to our prayer of repentance. God sends His only Sin into the world to ‘blot out our transgressions’ and ‘wash us of our iniquity.’

The imposition of ashes is also a rite to remind us of our state of sin and mortality. “Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return” is a more poetic method of saying, “you are not God.” The foundation of our repentance returns to that fact – we are not God and occasionally we lose track of that reality. When we overlook that little detail of not being God, we go astray. Most, if not all, sin goes back to human trying to wrest control from God.

The reminder that we are not God is not merely a reprimand. It also proclaims good news. We are not God; we are not in control; we are not responsible for all of creation. God, who is much more qualified, is in charge. Where we fail, God succeeds.

During the season of Lent, a holy time of repentance, we are reminded to remain focused on the ‘Lamb who takes away the sin of the world.’ Your sins are forgiven. You are made clean. Receive God’s abundant mercy. Experience His steadfast love given to you in Christ Jesus our Lord. The grace and peace of God which surpasses all understanding keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Amen.

In Christ,

Pastor Carla

“Here is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!  (John 1:29b)

January 7, 2021

This morning, a song by Simon and Garfunkel happened to playing in the background and caught my attention. ‘The Sparrow’ was not a song I had particularly remembered. As I listened to the haunting words, I was unfortunately reminded of the callousness and apathy of humankind. The artists describe the pleas and subsequent rejection of neighbors in the created world. For example, the title sparrow asks for a place to rest; the oak tree refuses with the sentiment that it is too much trouble. The song does conclude on a positive note that the earth accepts all creatures.

As a theologian, I appropriate this description as the manifestation of original sin. Bluntly described, sin is the attempt of human to elevate themselves in the place of God. The temptation of the ‘tree of good and evil’ was to become more like God. Human beings have been fighting (and often failing) to fight this temptation since the beginning of time. In all three Abrahamic faiths (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) – trusting or valuing anything, including ourselves, more than God is considered idolatry and is generally categorized as the ‘number one no-no.’

As a human being, I experience deep despair witnessing the manifestation of that sin in the world and in this nation. There is a profound difference in analyzing the reality of human sin as theory and supposition and watching its reality rear its ugly head resulting in violence, oppression, and injustice. There is a difference in examining the theory and witnessing the manifestation of sin.

As far as the song goes, it is all fine and good for each component of creation to be self-serving, practicing their own creaturely version of isolationism. It is a different story to hear the sorrow and desperation of said creatures that ensues from that doctrine. Creation was not intended to exist as isolated elements, but as a cohesive ecosystem. Nothing in creation is truly separate from another.

This song also elicited memories from long ago of a favorite poem by Wolfgang Borchert. Few may know (or remember) this poem whose dramatic reading brought me success in my brief foray into forensic competition. Apparently, I was able to adequately embody a fusion of post war angst and urgency.

This poem is titled, ‘Dann gibt es nur eins!’ (Then there is only one thing!) The recurrent exhortation is ‘Sag nein!’ (say no). Written by the German poet and soldier Borchert directly following World War II, this poem depicts an emotional plea to not only the German folk, but people and nations throughout the world. Roughly summarized, the poem systematically itemizes various common vocations, enumerates their inadvertent contributions to war, and offers the uncompromising alternative of ‘saying no.’ He puts forth pretty forcefully that there only option is to ‘say no’ when faced with choices in daily life that inadvertently contribute to war. From the routine duties of a clerk in an office to the pastor in the pulpit to mothers bearing sons, Borchert calls on individuals to use the basic essence of their individual vocations to better humanity.

Borchert’s poem invites us examine the routine choices we make in our daily lives and the overall impact such choices have on the larger world. In deference to another Simon & Garfunkel tune (not on today’s playlist), none of us actually qualify for ‘rock’ or ‘island’ status. The world is too interconnected. As beings created to live in community, none of us has the dubious distinction, either as privilege or as insult, of existing as solitary entities. We are bound to one another, God, and creation – whether we want to be or not.

The choices we make each day have the potential to have a ripple effect that do not cease with our nearest acquaintances. As citizens of this earth, we are bound to one another in ways we are wont to notice. The interconnectivity of the human race, let alone the whole created world, can be overwhelming. Part of Borchert’s plea is for people to take responsibility for all of their actions, whether intentional or not. The choices we make are not solely individual; our choices impact the larger society. This interconnectivity of life has traditionally been referred to community. As our prevalent sociological understanding of community has shifted throughout history, so has our understanding of communal responsibility.

Ancient peoples tended to have a greater awareness of communal responsibility. The community was emphasized over the individual. For example, in the Book of Jonah, the entire city of Nineveh was subjected to condemnation and the entire city repented. And the people of Nineveh believed God; they proclaimed a fast, and everyone, great and small, put on sackcloth.” The entirety of condemnation, repentance, and absolution was a communal experience. Ancient peoples tended to see sin (along with consequences and repentance) as more of a communal experience as opposed to a personal, individual experience.

Although we have seen some advantages to a more individualized understanding of sinfulness, there have been some drawbacks. It has become easy to demonize individuals; it become trickier to maintain a sense of communal responsibility and repentance. This has made it more challenging to address communal sin, which is often now referred to as ‘systemic’ rather than communal. Even that choice of diction further removes us from a sense of communal responsibility by pushing the responsibility either on historical events or some impersonal ‘system’ for which we take no responsibility.

No matter how we name it (or chose not to name it) human sin is propagated by and impacts the lives of human beings. Communal sin, the sin perpetuated by groups of human beings, impacts the lives of groups of human being, namely communities. Our feeble attempts to distance ourselves from communal sin do not lessen the impact of that sin as witnessed in historical events prompting the poetry of Borchert in the late 1940s, the lyrics of Simon and Garfunkel in the late 1960s or current events.

Paul wrote to the Romans, “For as in one body we have many members, and not all the members have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually we are members one of another.” The body of Christ is a complex system of believers that interact with one another, relying on the strengths of one to counterbalance the weakness of another. This whole system is built on the foundation of Christ Himself. It is God’s power that hinges all those ‘parts’ together into that one body. Paul is addressing the intrinsic temptation the early Christians faced to exalt themselves over others.

While Paul was writing this specifically to new Christians, the same truth arguably exists for all of God’s children. The truth that none of us stands in place of God remains true even for agnostics and atheists. Even the belief system professing not to ascribe to a belief system, places the individual in the position of submission to that very system of thought (or belief).

Within any faith system, there is a system of connectivity. Humans, for the most part, do not thrive in isolation. We are not created to be apathetic. We are not created to reject one another. Rejection, self-preservation, rampant individualism, self-importance, and apathy are all manifestations of human sin. Those qualities are intended for the demise of goodness.

In instructing confirmands concerning the definition of ‘Amen’, I explain that it is an exuberant assent to the prayer. (warning: this can result in young souls shouting ‘YES!’ very exuberantly at the conclusion of the Lord’s Prayer during worship – providing a periodic reminder of AED locations for more sedate worshippers.) ‘Amen’ is the confident, bold, vocal, boisterous, “YES! Let it be so!” It is the conclusion to our prayers that asserts the power of God and His promises. It is the confident trust in a God is greater than anything force on earth or in heaven.

For people of faith, this ‘Amen’ is both Borchert’s ‘no’ and the Earth’s ‘yes’ as depicted in the song, ‘The Sparrow’. It is the embrace of God’s Spirit given to us. It is the blessing of humanity. Humanity, despite its state of sin, was indeed created, redeemed, and is sustained by a merciful and benevolent God. Despite our failings, we continue to participate in a larger system gathered and decreed from the beginning, “God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good.” (Genesis 1:31a) AMEN.

January 2021

1Arise, shine; for your light has come,
  and the glory of the Lord has risen upon you.
2For darkness shall cover the earth, and thick darkness the peoples;
 but the Lord will arise upon you, and his glory will appear over you.
3Nations shall come to your light,
  and kings to the brightness of your dawn. (Isaiah 60:1-3)

Dear brothers & sisters in Christ,

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior. Amen.

A worldwide pandemic leaves the world in desperate need of God’s light and glory. Epiphany is the celebration of the shining of God’s light on all the nations. God’s light knows no bounds. God’s glory is limitless.

One of the oft overlooked themes of the magi’s arrival is the universal recognition and consequence of Christ’s birth. The magi travel from the far east to worship a great king. God’s gift of Christ affects the entire world. In the wise men we witness the far-reaching scope of this miraculous birth. Christ attracts from far and wide, demolishing all the barriers humans have erected to separate themselves from one another. God’s light is intended to give comfort to all who dwell in darkness.

In times of darkness and despair, the only light that will break through the darkness is the light coming from God. He is powerful enough to overcome the deep darkness that surrounds us. Christ’s light shines into that darkness and wipes away the shadows.

Recently, Mitch was distracted in the middle of a conversation by the reflection on the TV screen. I had been organizing some craft materials and the lamp in that area happens to house a full-spectrum bulb. That light reflected a complete prism on the TV (off). As the light refracted off the screen, the same bright light took on a different appearance. The light itself did not change, but the experience did.

We serve as reflection of God’s light to the world. We are called to spread that light – to bless the nations with God’s glory. Our words and actions are God’s tools to give hope to a desperate world. Despite not always reflecting this light as well as we could or not reflecting God’s light in the same manner as someone else, the light itself shines through. Even the most minute fraction of light reflected in us dispels the darkness. God’s light is true and pure. Arise, shine; your light has come.

Let your light so shine before others that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:16) The grace and peace of God which surpasses all understanding keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Amen.

In Christ,

Pastor Carla

December 2020

Comfort, O comfort my people,
    says your God.  

The grass withers, the flower fades;
    but the word of our God will stand forever.

(Isaiah 40:1, 8)

Dear brothers & sisters in Christ,

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior. Amen.

The word of God falls into three categories: the written word as found in Scripture; the proclaimed word; and the incarnate word in the person of Jesus Christ. God took on human flesh in order to bring comfort and hope to His people.

The Athanasian Creed confesses (in part): “For this is the true faith that we believe and confess:

That our Lord Jesus Christ, God’s Son, is both God and man. He is God, begotten before all worlds from the being of the Father, and he is man, born in the world from the being of his mother—existing fully as God, and fully as man with a rational soul and a human body;” The incarnate God maintains both natures equally. This child whose birth we commemorate each year is both mortal yet immortal, divine and human, eternal yet temporal. The immortal takes on mortality for the sake of human beings.

Paul phrased the resurrection of believers, “For this perishable body must put on imperishability, and this mortal body must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:53) God, imperishable, put on perishability in the form of Jesus Christ. The imperishable put on perishability in order that we may put on imperishability.

That is at the root the nature of incarnation. God fully enters His created world for the sake of that world. Jesus became flesh and lived among us. God entered this world in a form we could experience with all our senses. The disciples felt his touch, heard his voice, saw his tears, even smelled and tasted meals together. God was no longer abstract for them. God was (and is) real. God was no longer far off. He was right in front of them – walking among them, loving them, leading them, teaching and healing them. God fully entered into their reality.

As we celebrate the birth of the Savior, let us remember the ‘realness’ of this incarnate God. He is real. God sends His son into our reality, here and now – and brings us into his reality now and forever.  The grace and peace of God which surpasses all understanding keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Amen.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 14 And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father’s only son, full of grace and truth. (John 1:1-2, 14)

November 2020

The saints in heaven and on earth…

“See, I am coming soon; my reward is with me, to repay according to everyone’s work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelation 22:12-13)

Dear brothers & sisters in Christ,

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior. Amen.

No matter what life (or death for that matter) holds, God is the beginning and the end. God is in charge and in control of the world and all that is within it. In times of trouble or distress, it can be easy to forget that little tidbit. God has dominion over all things.

Each year on All Saints’ Sunday or Day, we hear the Beatitudes as recorded by Matthew or Luke. Most years, we hear this as a promise to those who have departed this life. It is also a reminder of God’s dominion. God has the power to comfort those who mourn; give the earth to the meek; grant mercy to the merciful; fill those who hunger and thirst for righteousness; reveal His glory to the pure in heart;  claim the peacemakers as children of God; and grant the kingdom of heaven to those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake; and give joy to those who are reviled for His sake. (paraphrase of Matthew 5:1-11) Who else can claim that power?

As we undergo turmoil and discord, we are reminded that God has the power to unify His people. Moreover, God does unify His people. The Apostle Paul wrote to the churches in Ephesus, “So he came and proclaimed peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near; 18 for through him both of us have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are citizens with the saints and also members of the household of God, 20 built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone.” (Ephesians 2:17-20) Strangers become family. Foreigners become citizens. The Holy Spirit “calls, gathers, enlightens, and makes holy the whole Christian church on earth and keeps it with Jesus Christ in the one common, true faith.” (Small Catechism, 3rd Article of the Apostles’ Creed)

Christ is the cornerstone upon which the Church in heaven and on earth rests. He blesses it with the Holy Spirit and guides it in the way of Truth. God holds the power over life, death, and resurrection. That power unites all the saints in heaven and on earth – making us no longer strangers, but brothers and sisters in Christ. Not dependent upon our own power, God’s good and gracious will that drapes the blessed cloak of sainthood upon of shoulders – now and forever. The grace and peace of God which surpasses all understanding keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Amen.

The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints. Amen. (Revelation 22:21)

October 2020

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— not the result of works, so that no one may boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Dear brothers & sisters in Christ,

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior. Amen.

As seasons change…leaves float to the ground…crops are harvested…temperatures drop…daylight fades…we remember it is all a gift. God has blessed us abundantly. God has strengthened us. God has protected us. God has infused us with faith.

You have been sealed by the power of the Holy Spirit and sealed with the cross of Christ forever. You have been given the Holy Spirit and united with the Body of Christ. “For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God.For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received a spirit of adoption. When we cry, “Abba! Father!”it is that very Spirit bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God,…” (Romans 8:14-17) Your prayers are led by that Spirit that calls God, “Father!” You have been filled with the Spirit to call upon the name of the Lord and be confident that He listens.

“Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was made from things that are not visible.” (Hebrews 11:1,3) God has blessed us with His Holy Spirit to allow us to trust His word and believe in that which we cannot see.

This is not the faith of the weak. This is not the faith of the wavering. This is not the faith of the anxious or timid. This is not the faith of the world or of the flesh. This is the faith of those who belong to Christ. It is the Holy Spirit within us bubbling with the faith and power of Christ Himself. It is the faith and power that in perfect obedience conquered sin and death.

This is the faith that strengthens the weak. This faith bolsters the wavering. This faith calms the anxious and fortifies the timid with valor. This is the faith that heals the sick and raises the dead. This is the faith that forgives sin and conquers evil. This is the faith bequeathed upon you by God, your refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.

The grace and peace of God which surpasses all understanding keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Amen.

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. (Psalm 46:1)

September 2020

For surely I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord, plans for your welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope. 12 Then when you call upon me and come and pray to me, I will hear you. (Jeremiah 29:11-12)

Dear brothers & sisters in Christ,

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior. Amen.

As we face the beginning of another school year with almost as much uncertainty as the last one ended, we are reminded that God has a plan. We usually do not understand it, but He has a plan. We wait with patience for God’s plan to be revealed to us. We wait with hope knowing that whatever that plan is – it is for our welfare, not for harm.

The wise man wrote, “For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven:” (Ecclesiastes 3:1) God created time and continues to be at the helm of all time. Amidst all the uncertainty and turmoil of our time, we are constantly reminded that God alone knows the plan or the timing. We trust in His promise to us.

We trust in God. We bolster one another in faith. We hear God’s promises. We experience God’s consolations. We lift our voices together in pray confident that God indeed hears those prayers. When our hearts grow weary, we lean on the community of brothers and sisters in Christ and cling to Christ Himself. As is written in the letter to the Hebrews, “Let us hold fast to the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who has promised is faithful.” (Hebrews 10:23) We share that mission together. We remind one another of God’s everlasting faithfulness.

Pray together. Cry together. Rejoice together. Praise together. Know that the Lord God Almighty is with you now and always.  The grace and peace of God which surpasses all understanding keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Amen.

In Christ,

Pastor Carla

When the cares of my heart are many,
    your consolations cheer my soul.
(Psalm 94:19)

July/August 2020 Newsletter

… they shall not hunger or thirst,
neither scorching wind nor sun shall strike them down,
for he who has pity on them will lead them,
and by springs of water will guide them. (Isaiah 49:10)

Dear brothers & sisters in Christ,
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior. Amen.
God has promised to preserve us through any adversity we may face. He will lead us and protect us as we journey through our time here on earth. We, as His people, gather around His throne worshipping.
In his explanation to the third commandment, Luther exegeted ‘keeping the Sabbath’ as “We are to fear and love God, so that we do not despise preaching or God’s word, but instead keep that word holy and gladly hear and learn it.” As the Church, we are commissioned to assist and encourage one another fulfill this commandment. COVID-19 provides an interesting challenge to the church in our endeavor to complete this commission while simultaneously protecting the physical well-being of our neighbors.
We will continue to gather both online & in-person with safety protocols. As clarification, recognizing the difficulty some (children in particular) have wearing masks properly, attendance has been low enough to permit mask removal while in the pew (Ushers will continue to ensure safe physical distancing to facilitate this possibility. Remember to remain your designated area and to don your mask properly upon dismissal.) Since changes to these protocols are unlikely before fall, both the July & August calendars are included. Safety protocols, council minutes, & financial reports are included specific to congregational membership.
As the weariness of 2020 continues to wear on us, we are reminded who is in charge. We remember and remind one another that God provides us with the strength, patience, and wisdom to face each day. We shall persevere with God’s help and guidance.
The grace and peace of God which surpasses all understanding keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Amen.

In Christ,
Pastor Carla


For this reason they are before the throne of God,
and worship him day and night within his temple,
and the one who is seated on the throne will shelter them. (Rev. 7:1)

July 2020

For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for self-indulgence, but through love become slaves to one another. 14 For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Galatians 5:13-14)

Dear brothers & sisters in Christ,

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior. Amen.

This is the time of year we celebrate independence, yet we prefer to focus on the ‘freedom from’ as opposed to the ‘freedom to.’ Too often society views independence as individual indulgence rather than personal responsibility. ‘Freed from’ is usually less complicated than ‘freed to.’

Consider the Israelites being freed from slavery. They rejoiced at leaving the tyranny of the Egyptians. They then whined incessantly about having to fend for themselves in the wilderness. How about those American colonists fighting for independence from the British? The Declaration of Independence is one page (the signatures comprise a fair amount of that page) & two days to ratify. The original Constitution was four pages (now 232) & took about nine months to ratify – then almost another nine to enact it. It was a little easier to declare independence than to determine governing themselves after it was won. Think about the many young adults venturing out into the world. How many rejoice at finally having ‘freedom from’ their parents & rules? How many are thrilled about at being ‘freed to’ pay their own bills, fix their own problems, & get themselves to work or school?

In the Bible, freedom is never reduced to merely ‘free from.’ It always includes the ‘free to.’ The Israelites were freed from slavery in Egypt to love and serve God. You are freed from sin, death, and evil. You are ‘freed to’ live life in the Spirit. The ‘free from’ is relatively easy. The ‘free to’ takes a lifetime of prayer and practice. We look to Scripture, community, and the Holy Spirit to help us be ‘free to.’ “So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.” (John 8:36)

By the grace of God, you are free – free to love & free to serve. The grace and peace of God which surpasses all understanding keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Amen.

In Christ,

Pastor Carla

By contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also be guided by the Spirit. (Galatians 5:22-25)

June 2020

Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (Romans 13:10)

Dear brothers & sisters in Christ,

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior. Amen.

We confess that Jesus is Lord. We trust that God is active in the world. Even in times of confusion, uncertainty, & anxiety, we firmly believe God has the final word. As we wait & adapt this summer, we need to remind ourselves & one another of that very fundamental fact. Jesus Christ is Lord.

Christ gave the disciples & us the command to love one another. Paul exegeted that command for the Romans as “love does no harm.” In our context, this makes us more cautious with the health & lives of our neighbors than perhaps we would be of our own.

The following is an excerpt Luther wrote in reference to an outbreak of the bubonic plague in Wittenberg. “Therefore I shall ask God mercifully to protect us. Then I shall fumigate, help purify the air, administer medicine, and take it. I shall avoid persons and places where my presence is not needed in order not to become contaminated and thus perchance infect and pollute others, and so cause their death as a result of my negligence. … See, this is such a God-fearing faith because it is neither brash nor foolhardy and does not tempt God.” (& he did so without the internet)

We have a long tradition of believing that God sends the Holy Spirit into every aspect of our lives & into the world around us. The Spirit is not relegated to working within the walls of church buildings. The Holy Spirit is fully capable of working in scientists, healthcare workers, & civic leaders. God brings vocations together to discern the best path to love one another. We trust God will provide whatever is necessary to carry out that love.

As unfortunately experienced by several congregations around the world, there are challenges particular to congregations. Despite efforts to practice physical distancing, some have tragically encountered the reality of engrained habits & traditions designed to promote congregating colliding with physical distancing measures. It is imperative that each of us do everything possible to make worship safe for this parish and the communities we serve. St Olaf council has prayed, studied guidelines, and developed a strategy by which they hope to fulfil both peoples’ desire to gather and our responsibility to provide as safe an environment as possible. Please review and do your utmost to follow these protocols. (Zion will discuss adopting similar protocols at their June meeting.)

God’s Spirit in us & in the world will guide us in ensuring that ‘no harm is done to our neighbor’ in our continued endeavor to proclaim Christ in Word and Deed. The grace and peace of God which surpasses all understanding keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Jesus Christ is Lord. Amen.

In Christ,

Pastor Carla